FDA's Shocking New Stance on Hormone Therapy

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0:58 Here's your host, doctor Eldred Tables. Hello, good morning and happy Wednesday to everyone. I'm here in not hot Atlanta, but cold Atlanta. I think it was like thirty four degrees last night, so I'm trying to stay warm, and you know, we're not used to this this kind of weather down here. And we have a guest today who's in Louisiana. She's freezing too, and also Rebel she's in Louisiana's cold all over, but it's supposed to start warming up here soon. Well, today we're going to talk about is maybe cold here, but we're going to talk about a hot topic. And the hot topic is that the FDA removed the black box label from Harmon Replacement. Now I have a special guest here.

1:45 Her name is Mandy Romero, doctor Mandy Romero. She's a pharmacist that I've known for over twenty years and we've been fighting this Harmon replacement battle together on stage and at conferences. And since I started this Ageles Blueprint, we kind of reconnected because I went through a lag here where we didn't do with COVID and all that that stuff. I didn't do a lot of speaking and Gage I didn't do any and so this age was Blueprint kind of got me reapped back up again, and she actually contacted me and has been following me on my age was Blueprint school platform, and we did a previous UH podcast together, and so I invited her back because when you talk about the FDA and harmone replacement, we have to put in compounding pharmacies, because compounding pharmacies have been fighting this battle even more than I have because Big Farmer is always trying to shut them down. So, uh, let's welcome Mandy Ramara and then we're going to discuss this hot topic in this cold environment. How are you doing, Mandy, doctor Romero, let me let me give you your proper introduction.

2:52 How are you doing? Uh, doctor Romeria? Why don't such a hot talk? And I think both of us have you know, our viewpoints, but they definitely merged together. So I'm excited to. Be here exactly. So why don't you tell yourself and what you do? Okay? So I'm a clinical pharmacist. I used to work large. What's going on? It's about adactic time. Yeah, okay, we'll try and I'll try and give it time. Okay. So space, remember, let's start from the beginning. Let's tell us about what you do and how you kind of got to this point.

3:34 Okay. So I started off as a compounding pharmacist twenty six years ago, and so I learned how to make compounded HRT and then my boss at the time said, let's get this going. Let's start learning. I started learning before the WHI trial came out, and so I was learning all the good stuff and then two thousand and two comes and that changes everything. But but but I regardless of that. At the time, I was learning about HRT and I was marketing to physitions, educating them what I learned, and then seeing patients in private consultation. But in twenty thirteen I got very sick and so I had to quit working there. So my health journey has taken me down the road of a hysterectomy, and so then I had to go about figuring out what am I going to do about my own hormones. But before that, I was helping women with hormones, and you know, it has evolved into functional medicine, helping people with metabolic health, those kind of things, so very preventative and wellness.

4:41 So you know, the thing is that the FDA changed this black box warning now you know the way I see it, it has good things and it has bad you know, I think one is going to start the conversation again about biodynical hormones. And I think that's so important because, as you know and I know, women are suffering due to the lack of knowledge from actually from doctors not having the knowledge, and from just educational institutions. We talked about the North American menopause society given bad information, and so I'm worried that this that lifting this band is going to allow the people who are distributing bad information to do it more freely. And so that's why I wanted to do this podcast, because I think it's important for women to understand hardmones and how they work and what to avoid and what to you know, incorporate.

5:40 So this podcast is trying to educate women to be empowered to make good decisions for themselves because I feel like a flood of information may start coming out now that this band has been lifted. How do you see it? I totally agree with you, and we've been battling this a long time, doctor Taylor. I mean it's all the time, and especially more so as a pharmacist because I can't write a prescription, so I have the knowledge that i've learned that is science, and I'm trying to get the doctor to say, hey, let me collaborate with you and this is what I'm recommending for the patient. And it's so frustrating. But now I think this opens the door for more discussion. But if you have doctors that are just going to start writing scripts and have no education.

6:27 That's going to be a problem, especially with the generic lift of that. Yeah, and we're going to get to that. So see, let's you know, I always I like to use lads because it kind of keeps me on schedule. So can you pull up the first land level? Oh no, okay, no, that's the last lad. Let let's go to the first one. I can do it here, So we're going to get the perimra. But yeah, so this is the this is the big shift, you know, rethinking hormon therapy, a new error for precision and education. So this is the headline that was all over the New a couple of days ago. You know, Robert Kennedy, he's a little bit more holistic minded, and he has good intentions, and it's just like with everything, everybody always has good intentions, but sometimes you get you know, those unexpected consequences or whatever, that collateral damage. So again, I do think this is good because people are starting to talk about it, and you know, I actually got I actually started this podcast and all this stuff because there's so much misinformation, you know, out there on the Internet and all these places, and so I just want to make sure that everybody is equipped with good information so that they can you know, they can navigate all this stuff so they can hear what we're saying and compare it to you know, what's being said, and they can make I feel like patients are smart enough to know what's right and what's wrong, especially women, because women have intuition, and intuition can be very powerful if women will a bad by their intuition, but a lot of

7:58 times they get confused by this information and go against what they feel it is actually right for them. Totally agree with that. Women really have it in them to take it to the next level. And I think if we get out there and educate more from the women's perspective, especially with what's going on right now. Yeah, so you know, so I put in there. What changed? Okay, they removed the black box, but look what didn't change. There was no direction on how to measure and balance hormones, you know, so that did not change, and now there's continued guessing your trial and error and see. Yeah, so go ahead.

8:39 So what I was going to say is is, so, so what do we do business as usual? Yeah? That takes some steps to educate people so that they know how to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the problem. The problem has never been the hormones harmones intent. I mean, you know, women and men, they make that. You've been exposed to estrogen and progesterone your whole life. Okay, so estrogen and progesterone are not the problem. The problem is the balance of estrogen and progesterone. Is measuring the estrogen and progesterone correctly so that you can restore balance if the person's out of balance. And always say, there's no way to balance something if you can't measure it. You have to be able to measure it to balance it. And our problem is we our problem, what I was taught and what's still being taught, is that you cannot measure something in the blood that is fat soluble. Harmones are fat soluble, so you can't measure it in the blood. And we're going to show you. Bendy gave me the book that just explains this, you know totally. We've got to measure right then we can treat right. We haven't had the proper measurement. I did a whole residency in Objuyanna, and we never do blood to measure harmones because we knew it didn't tell us anything. But we have all these people out here who are basing harmone replacement on blood levels and it's going to cause a big problem.

10:07 Yeah, we we really have to go back to science, doctor Taylor. Yeah. Yeah. And so speaking of that, let's look at this. Can you see this? Yeah? I love it? So so you can you can you can tell them what this is. Okay. So one of my doctor friends gave me this book and I never I used it because you are the one that told me how where the information comes from about hormones. This is what obg Wyan's learned from. So I was like, okay, I got to get this book. So I got it from a friend and then I actually bought a newer one on a used book site for like four dollars. Nobody wants serrated, but I do anyway.

10:52 But the point about this is I never noticed the back of the book until one day it fell and I looked at I'm like, what is this on the act? I was, oh my gosh. I was like, wow, So the drug companies are now giving the literature to the doctors to learn. But like you said that, y'all didn't even learn about birth control. So wh why are they even advertized? Well, you know, so, so here's so here, here's how here's how I look at this, and this is all this man game is that there's this law of reciprocity, that that that people just naturally do that if somebody gives you something, you feel like you have to reciprocate.

11:35 So I feel like that the drug reps they would give us books, then they would take us out to dinner and all that stuff. And so then when the low estering guy comes back, it's in our head that we should we should do, we should prescribe low estring as the birth control pill. But here's the funny thing. There's never the g y and Indochronology book does not teach you how to use birth control pills. You know why because birth control pills are not a part part of your physiology. So that's the that's there. Okay, So yeah, you're not going to see low estant in the g y and Interoprenology book because those those chemicals in the in the uh birkentrol pild is not a part of phys now right, yeah, yeah, And so you know, I did a lecture for a long time called harment replacement by the book, and every everything I have in that lecture comes from this book. Now, the problem is with the people on the internet and all these doctors who never have done Obi Juan and even some of the O g y ns who have not gone back to look at the textbook because we've been so indoctrinated by pharmacology.

12:47 They don't realize that what they are teaching and what they're telling patients and what people are saying on the internet does not come from the g y and Interoprenology book. And I also say that if you go to an endocrinologist, they not required to read that book. So indocrinologists don't really understand indo chronology. No, no, this is a guy n into chronology. Doctor Taylor ob ob Juyann's is supposed to do it. Look, yeah, but you know what I read that, I at that book. But here's the problem in medicine, and you know that it's see one, do one, teach one. So if I see a higher level resident do something, he's going to teach me and then I'm going to do it. So it's going to be see one, do one, teach one. So all you have to do is to get the ball rolling, you get people, you get the doctors. Hey, let's use birth control pills. Oh, that's how you treat problems in women. That's what I saw, That's what I did, That's what I teach. And that's the same thing that what they were doing thirty years ago.

13:53 They're still doing it now. There hasn't been any progression in how we treat women and their harmones. And I think that's a big disservice to women. And that's why I'm trying to start this revolution that women demand proper treatment when it comes to hormones. Yes, sir, I agree with that. And I think the more we get out here and talk about testing, is that our next topic. That's our next topic. That's our next topic. And so you know, so here's the problem. Yeah, go hit go hit Andy. Yeah. I was just gonna say, you know, let me just ask you. In the book anywhere is there anything about testing levels in the Bible.

14:35 This is the one. Yeah, this is the one thing it says, and I quote this over and over again that in spire Off it says, serum measurements of steroid hormones gives you limited clinically useful information Okay. It says if you measure hormones through the serum, you're going to get limited clinically useful information. Okay, So and and we're gonna get We're going to get to that slide so I can show you. And I believe that this is simple enough for anybody to understand. And that's the problem. It's so simple that people don't believe it's that simple because it's been so much confusion for so long. So, yes, that's the one quote that's in there. It says if you measure the blood you're not getting good clinically useful information. Now, it doesn't say anything about saliva testing, but saliva testing has been around since nineteen sixty and I can give you plenty of references on that. Okay, So that's the missing link. It's no way you can treat blood pressure without measuring a person's blood pressure. There's no way to treat cholesterol or diabetes without measurement. And we've got to start measuring correctly. And I know you and I have been doing saliva testing for over twenty years, and it is clearly the best method to understand and to treat women and men. I know we're talking about women, because they're primarily who we're talking about, but in me, and also because they lifted the band off the testosterone as being a controlled substance. I believe so. But anyway, so

16:07 you can tell me your experience with saliva testing, Yes, you can tell me your experience. I can tell you I've been using it since I started. And maybe it's because doctor Taylor. You know, as a pharmacist, when you go to these conferences, you're a little more open minded. Okay, we are not bullied in school, Okay, like doctors are sometimes, and so I and me just as a person, I'm more empathetic. But I go to these conferences and they're like, Okay, here's the data, here's how it works. And I see it. Every time I measure levels. The patient will come to me. The doctor did blood work, there's nothing wrong. But yet I have all these symptoms. I'm like, okay, well let's do a saliva test. So we do a saliva test, We test the estrogen, the progesterone, the testosterone, the dhas and the quarters all and there we go. Now, it may not tell us everything because some of these patients have complex medical histories, but as far as the hormones. It tells the whole story. And then what I really love about it is that the patient fills out their symptoms on the sheet, so then the lab will take the levels and the symptoms and they will explain it for you and help you walk through it. So I feel like positions if they want to do a better job, any clinician, they want to do a better job, they need to learn how to use the best tool. And we know that saliva is the best tool to measure levels.

17:38 Yeah, and you know, well I won't talk about this, but you know, I know there's another popular test that looks at at urine and I'm not going to say the name. And here's my problem with that is that when you're looking at urine, you're looking at metabolites. So you're looking at how is the hormone metabolized, and that is primarily a function of of your detoxification system. Is really a function of how where your liver is detoxifying the hormone. So you can have a lower amount of metabolites, not because you have a lower amount of hormone, but your liver is not detoxifying it properly, and you can still have a backup of harmone in the cells. So that's why you know, people talk about blood, saliva and urine, and how I feel is that, Hey, if you want to look at metabolites, urine is the place to go.

18:29 If you want to look at what is affecting the cell, the saliva is the way to go. If you just want to look at an overall level, the blood is the way to go. But in the blood, like you said, if your premnal pozsal the levels are always going to come back normal because they're not measuring the balance between estrogen and progesterone. They're just measuring the totality. And I'm going to get to a slide that's going to explain this, but yeah, so there's there's always these comparisons a bit between how do you measure and for twenty five years found that saliva is the best way, and it correlates the most with the person's symptoms, and it finally gives them an explanation. Because I can't tell you how many times that I've heard I've got on to the doctor and they told me my blood tests were normal. I hear it almost one hundred percent of the time, And so we know that something's wrong, because how can somebody have fabroids and irregular bleeding and breast cancer and even terine cancer and the levels are normal. How can that happen?

19:29 You know? So but in the saliva you can see it's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, the estrogen's there. It's there. I mean, it's you know, it's just we're looking in the wrong way. But not only that, Doctor Taylor, patients aren't even given instructions on how to do the testing, blood tests whatever. When they're having a menstrual cycle that drives me insane, they will bring their blood tests to me and they're like here, and I'm like, okay, well, what day disciple are you on? I don't know. They didn't tell me anything. I'm like, well, this was a waste of money for you. It's very frustrated. Yea, yeah, because you know, I think I think the problem is is that there's a lot of people out there doing it who started doing it because it became popular, and now it's going to become more popular and they don't understand this. And you can see this, and I just wanted to show this one thing. This is what your heartmunes do over the course of twenty eight days.

20:26 This is twenty eight days. And all I want to show you is that this is esrogen and this is progesterone. So you can see how if you measure here, it's going to be much different than if you measure here. Are it's going to be much different than if you measure here. So that's what doctor Rameiro is talking about. You have to know where in the cycle you're going to measure it. You have to know where what is the ratio of estrogen to progesterone when I'm measuring it? Because you were asking me why did they draw LH and f SH in the blood, right, doctor Romero? Y? Yeah, yes, yeah, because they don't understand why. Why are they doing it at the beginning of a cycle. Yeah, So let me tell you what happens. Your brain tells your ovary to start this process of making an egg right here, and LH and FSH is what causes ovulation.

21:13 So they look at that to see if you ovulate it. And if you ovulate they say, oh, you must have made progesterone. But did you make enough? Did you make too much? Did you make too little? So that's why you need to measure it right here when the progesterone should be the highest, and you're looking at this balance right here. Now if your mental puzzle, you're not having a cycle. You're just trying to make sure that there's a balance between here on a steady state. And then if you are giving somebody harmones, you definitely have to look at the saliva because that's the only way you can manage a person on hormones, because if the hormone is not coming from the ovary of the testicle, it's it doesn't spend hardly any time in the blood. It goes right to the tissue. So I'll show you that.

21:56 I think in the next slide. Do you have any other anything else you want to talk about? The mississ cycle? You brought it up about measuring at the right time. I hope he heard me. Did we lose a rebel m? Yeah? So I think that Doctor Taylor. I'm gonna go yeah, you had a little delay, but I'm gonna go back to this one. Yeah, you're here. I can hear you now. So I was asking you, do you have anything else you want to talk about? Yeah, but I think this is the main point I want to draw. I think that practitioners, clinicians, patience need to know is that when a doctor gives them an order for blood work, if it's blood work, I mean, we'll just go with that, but we know saliva is better.

22:37 They should be asking for saliva. But if the doctor's not educated, then that's going to cause a problem. But even if they go to the doctor and the doctor says, hey, I want to that I'm good with measuring your levels, they need to know when in the cycle. So this is very This is very important because it is the most frustrating thing when a patient goes and does the labs and then you can't tell them anything, but because you have no idea what it means. Yeah, yeah, And again you're just trying to explain something that if you're going to do a bad test, at least do it at the right time. It's a bad test, at least do it at the right time. So so it looks like you know what you're doing even though you're not doing it. Okay, yeah, yeah, So at least you look like, all right, so, hey, we got five minutes and this I want to My ultimate goal is the hard Yeah, go ahead, did you say something?

23:32 Yeah, I just I said oh gosh, just keep going. Okay, all right, all right, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, this is this has happened. We were trying to fix it maybe at break. So hey, I'm trying to I want somebody. I think people can can understand this, okay. So let me show you the difference between blood and saliva, all right. So I like to use this analogy that hardmon's in the blood. This is the blood right here, okay, And this is the hormone and this is what they call sex hormon binding globular and people measure that in the blood. So let me tell you why that doesn't matter, all right. So this is the free hormone that goes out of the blood into the tissue where the cells are. All right.

24:14 So if you're measuring this, you have no idea what is here, absolutely no idea. And this is what is available to the cell. Is what came out of the blood and came here. And this could have come two weeks ago, this could have come two days ago, but it's still sitting here available for the cell. All right. So in the blood, it's not telling you what you can actually use in your body, because that's not in the blood. It's in the tissue. And why why can't I use saliva to tell me what got delivered to the tissue is because these little cells around the saliva gland are like these little cells, so they're the ones who take in the hormone and they can use it.

24:56 And the saliva reflects what is in these cells. So if I know what the normal balance of hormone is in the saliva, I can assume that that same balance is in your breast and in your brain, and in your uterus, and in your heart and in your muscles, because all of those tissues use hormones. So that is the difference. This. You can have a whole lot of hormone here and not much here, or vice versa. This is where the action is. The blood and the circulatory system are a highway system. It's a transportation system that delivers hormones to where it needs to go. And you only want to know how much harmone is there that I can use.

25:41 And that's it, plain and simple. Is not that hard. And I'm on a crusade to teach anybody, patients, doctors, whoever, this simple information, because once you understand this and you start measuring things through saliva, a whole world opens up to you and a whole new group of people. You'll be able to help if you can just understand this. And I believe anyone can do it. I really do, so, Amanda, you can expand on that. Okay, Okay, So I think what we need to do, doctor Taylor, is relearn, you know, we need to learn we need from this information practitioners. I think the message is it doesn't mean that you don't really know what you're doing. It just means that there's newer, which is not really newer. It's just we have more information. We have a better test, a better test, so why not use the better tests? And don't let the insurance companies tell you what to do. You know, it's just it's there.

26:49 And just because you don't have a drug rep coming in the door doesn't mean it's not valid. Look at the data. It's there there. Yeah. And just like you saying, don't let the insurance company damage your health, don't let your health insurance keep you from getting healthy, And that's what it does, because insurance. Health insurance is for sickness, is not for health. So if you're doing something, I'll just say this in general, if you're seeking something to help you to be healthy. Then that's not what the now, that's not what health insurance is. It's just for when you are sick. And the problem is is that menopause is not a sickness, it's a condition. It's a condition of imbalance. And so but yes, you're right, just because the insurance doesn't pay for it, and some insurances will pay for it, but this is so critical. You can either pay for one of these tests that may cost you a couple of hundred bucks, or you can continue to suffer, you know, And so not suffering is worth I think two three hundred dollars and that's usually the general cost of these tests.

27:57 So I think it's time for a break, maybe, So let's spill to our commercial and we'll go and then we'll come back and we'll kind of wrap this up and just talk about how do we want to proceed, how do we want to make sure this message is are this change of the FDA is beneficial and we have limited to no collateral damage because of you know, this information getting into the wrong people's hands. So let's go to break. We are going to a quick break, So stay with us as we explore the Ageless Blueprint right here on W four HC Radio and Talk for TV. An ancient secret with a modern twist for better health and vitality.

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29:38 All right, we're back. I'm here. I hope. I don't know. We may be rebooting. Uh doctor Romero. Uh, I know We've thank you for like hanging in there with us. We're doing the best we can. We want to you know, we want to keep it going. Hey, Rebel, I saw that a question popped up, Is that correct? Yeah? Okay, the first one makers are driving medical profession then they are not going doctors cause yeah, you're right. You have to be a little bit of a rebel. Uh you know right, doctor Romero. Did you hear the question? Yes, yeah, she was talking about Taylor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to go against the flow because you can get swept away and what media and the pharmaceutical companies and all those people want. But you have to go back and look at the basic science and uh, you just have to have enough courage to do what's right. It's easy to follow the crowd. It's real easy to follow the crowd. You just have to have enough courage to do what's right. And you know, are all doctors going.

30:47 To do this? Of course not, not all doctors do anything. But I'm trying to put it out there that the doctors who are I always have said, you can't convert people who don't want to be converted. But there's some doctors out there like we were, who we're looking for a better answer. So we want to expose this better answer. So that's that's our goal. I think. Is that is that correct, Doctor Ramiro? This is this is uh okay, all right, So what's the next question? The next Bonnie One problem is put too much trust in doctor. We don't edge from bodies. Oh this is like a perfect setup and and that's that is my goal. I created a lecture twenty five years ago saying that I could make a patient of honorary gyn of Collogies, and you can. And I said I could do it in four slads in five minutes.

31:36 And these are two of the slades. And the other slade is understanding the minstal cycle. And I'm just I was going to announce this at the end, but I wanted to talk about this and doctor Rameiro, I've talked to her about it. But we are going to try to educate lay people, counselors, doctors, anybody to be hormone clarity coaches. Is that to give some to harmone replacement because we have to have a group of people who are putting out good information to combat the people who are putting out bad information. And there's plenty of those people out there, and doctor Rameiro and I have been trying to do it for a long time, and now we're trying to recruit more people. And now I have a platform where I don't will doctor Rameiro, we don't have to go and travel and do all these conferences.

32:22 We can have a podcast, we can do all kinds of things to help educate people. Just like that patient. The questionnaire questioner said is that you need to understand what's going on with you, and your body is not too hard to understand, and that's what we're trying to teach you. So, Mindy, how have you been fighting this educational battle? Well since the beginning. But when I started twenty six years ago hormones, that was before the WHI trial came out, so it wasn't so hard, but I didn't know enough. But then fast forward to two thousand and two and all this stuff sort of coming out, and the patients were calling me and they're like, the doctor wants to take me off my hormones. I'm like, no, remember what I told you. But then you know, it's me against the physician. And even now, I think sometimes I'm a little intimidating. I try not to be. I'm only four eleven, but but I write letters to doctors and ask for collaboration, and they get mad at me, Doctor Taylor, and I'm like, okay, listen.

33:29 I'm not saying you're not the lead on this. I'm just saying I'm recommending this. Let manny help you. I can spend an hour plus with the patient you cannot, so let me help you. And that's what my purpose is. To help patients, empower patients just like you. But also, you know, to get this information out to physicians. Yeah, yeah, you know. Also my goal is I want to you know, the pharmaceutical industry, they've done a good job at doing this. I'm like, hey, I don't need to reinvent the wheel. I can just do what they do. And what do they do. They have a commercial and then they say, ask your doctor about this medication. All right.

34:09 So I'm trying to get enough people, enough women to understand saliva testing that they say, hey, doctor, do you do saliva testing? I want to have a saliva test. If enough people go in there and ask for that, you know what the doctors are going to do. They're going to seek information about saliva testing and where can they get information about saliva testing from people like us? So I'm trying to flip the script where doctors are going to come to you to get education instead of you having to go to them to try and shut education down their throat, because that's how the pharmaceutical companies do it. Get your patients, get the public to go start demanding something, and that's how they get these doctors to change. Oh hey, they're professionals at it, so let's do it like they do it. What do you think?

34:58 I agree with you? And you know the other part of that is you're empowering the patient to learn about their health. So when patiens are empowered and they want to be healthy, then there's less problems. You know what I really think, doctor Taylor. I thought about this the other day. Doctors are inundated with patients because everybody is sick. There's too many sick people because we have for food. I mean, we could go on and on, but my point is is that we're all sick because of our environment and XYZ and it's sitting and listening and educating themselves. And look, if I can take the time out, you can too. Because that's what I had to do. I had to take time out to learn from other people that are experts.

35:47 So yeah, yeah, And what I'm trying to get patients understand is that you can be an expert on yourself because your body is always sending you messages. Every pain, every look, little you know, nuance, every little funny feeling. It is actually your body trying to send you a message. When when you feel pain, it's not The goal is not to get rid of the pain. The gold is to see what is wrong causing the pain. And that's what you have to understand about when we are talking about balance and progesterone and esrogen. What's causing your problems are imbalance, imbalance of estrogen and progesterone. And the only way to discover that is by measuring. Cannot rebalance something that you have and measured to see what is out of balance. And so that's what we're trying to get across is that everything is about balance. Cortisol, estrogen, progesterone, everything is about balance. And I just the last I'll go ahead, go ahead.

36:46 And cannot add something. Yeah, well I want to add something to because we're talking about measuring. Just real quick. If you are giving a pain, if a doctor's given a patient a hormone and that is not identical to the body, you can't measure that. We have to stick, I mean, and we can I'm sure we're going to talk about that later, but it's important to know that you're measuring and what you're measuring. You know what kind of hormone are you giving the patient, And that's probably a good lead into what you're about to talk about. Yeah, yeah, so you know that's perfect. Just like you're saying that low estrant that birth control pill. There's no way to measure that progestin in that birth control pill because it's not bioidentical, and the saliva testing can only see that, and blood testing can't see what's in that birth control pill either. That's why I'm telling you, if you're taking birth control pills and hardmones, you are wiring by the seat of your pants. Okay. So has anyone ever given you a birth control pill and then when it doesn't work, they say, oh, let's measure the blood level of that birth control pill. Maybe we can change and we'll know what the next word. No, you get switched on birth control pilled, after birth control pill, after birth control pill, because no one has measured and rebound.

38:00 So if you have a heartmone problem, you're not birth control peel deficient. You're out of balance. Okay, And so that's the same thing with premer and so I know this is your pet peeve, doctor Ramiro, So I'm gonna let you talk about Primron. Yeah about premern So premarn you know it's been out forever and you know now that it's going generic. That is not the answer. Okay. First of all, oral estrogen, based on information I've read, and if I can say, I think I'm an expert because I've been doing this for twenty over twenty five years, oral estrogen has no place. I feel. We have too many other options. And the problem that people will need to know about oral estrogen and please add in, is that it increases clouting factors.

38:48 That's one problem. But then you can't measure this. That's the whole point we were just talking about. You can't measure this. They don't even know what's in it. Yeah, and they cannot tell you what's in it because it's from pregnant mayors during it's from a horse horse. So some people you say it's natural because it comes from a horse, we're not forced to let actually, so it's identifal to the body. Yeah. Yeah, so you know, yeah, primer and this is you know, doctor Remira, what I've had to realize is that we've been doing this for twenty five twenty six years. You know, that's a whole generation. So this new generation of docs, they probably don't even know what primeran is.

39:33 So now you reintroduce that into the market, they think that's something new. Yeah, yeah, because since the Women's Healthy I never. Thought about this. You're right, Oh, yeah, this is a So it's a whole new generation of doctors who don't even know don't even remember primern That's what I used to give my mother, thinking that I'm a good doctor, and you know, giving my mother premer and until I understood this. So there's a whole new generation of doctors, and there's a whole new generation of patients who are going through perimenopaus and menopause. So I'm I'm worried that they're going to think premier in is some new drug because if you don't know your history, you're bound to repeat it. And we're about to repeat what we had to learn twenty five twenty six years ago.

40:16 You're exactly correct, And you know, I think like with this this new era, let's call it a new era of women's health, let's learn about the right things to use. And why are we not just I mean, just you know, just per se, why are we not talking about the patches, you know, like as an alternative instead of the instead of why can't we make if we want to make something cheaper, let's not make premer and cheaper. Let's make the patches cheaper. I mean, if that's what the deal is, you know, because at least you would you know, you wouldn't cause the clotting factor issue. I mean in patients that you know, they tell me, look, I don't have a lot of money, I have a set set income.

41:00 I can't afford a compound in medication and not always it's expensive, but you know, they want something their insurance will cover. I'm like, go, let's do a patch. I mean, at least it's a stray all and it's you know, biodentical. So yeah, I love patches. I love I love I love anything that you can measure, and I don't want to give anything that you can't measure because you're going to be doing trial and error. So yeah, I absolutely love that. And I just want to say, you know, again, a small investment in your health could make a world a difference in you, because most of the women come in and say they have foggy thinking, they're fatigued there, you know, their moods all over the place. How can you be productive in when you're feeling like that? How can you do your best at your job? How can you be creative? How can you be the best mother?

41:49 How can you be the best spouse or husband? If you're feeling like that? And just saying one little investment could explain everything for me and I could go and live the rest of my life feeling good again. I just had a consultation with the patient the other day. She was sixty five, she was retired, and she was like, I don't know who I am. I don't have any motivation, I don't have anything. And her hormones were out of balance, and I was telling her, you don't want to live the next twenty twenty five years like this. We need to do something. And so that's what I'm saying, you know, that's what I'm talking about. Don't let the insurance or all of that hinder you from fixing something that's fixable.

42:30 All right, So go ahead, doctor Rey. We got about three or four minutes left and we can just kind of wrap this up. Okay, So do you want to talk about what we need to do with this new information as far as training and like what people really need to do, practitioners need to do. In my opinion, you need to start reading. You need to see you know, and it's like what are you supposed to read? But you know, definitely saliva testing, read up on it, you know. Learn. As far as for patients, they need to do the same thing. You know, there's great functional medicine conferences around the country all the time. I mean, that's a good place to start, don't you think, what do you what do you think they should do?

43:16 Well? You can go to conferences. But then, you know, here's what I thought. You know, I'm sixty five, and I feel like a lot of the people that we lectured with and all that, you know, a lot of them have retired, they've you know, some of them have passed away or whatever. So I'm trying to leave a permanent education source. So I have a school platform ww and you'll see it down down in all my links. And I actually started a Harbone Clarity Coaching certification and it's anybody who really wants to understand this and and perpetuate this information. It's all in my school group. I have another school group called Beyond the White Coat, where specifically for physicians, so that I'm interested in trying to convert the people who want to be converted. And I don't care if you're a dishwasher at a restaurant, or if you're a PhD or if you're an MD. Everybody needs to be educated on this, okay, And so I'm opening this up. I have a school group where you can just come and be a part of the community.

44:23 Is free. Just please go to my links down there. And that's my contribution. Doctor Mandy is going to keep doing what she's doing and maybe we'll work together on this coaching certification so you can understand how compounding pharmacies fit into this, how supplements fit into this. So this is kind of the beginning. We really think that because the FDA lifted this band, we've got to have more and more and more people understanding this, teaching this and Thanksgiving is coming up. Learn this and talk to your friends and family at Thanksgiving and say, hey, you know, I listened to this this podcast or I followed this these two people, and hey, you need to understand this information and maybe you'll cut down on the fights over Thanksgiving dinner, you know, if you can get people's hormones straight.

45:17 So uh so maybe Thanksgiving to be better. So yeah, so maybe I. Can't go without mine. I can tell you that. Yeah, yeah, Thanksgiving and Christmas could be a lot better if if everybody had their hormones balanced, and Aunt Susie and and Uncle John, you know, won't be fighting and trying to kill each other and throwing turkey legs at each other. So so let's think of this as we're you know, we're saving relationships and we're saving families, like giving this education out there. I hope that this podcast, Yeah, I hope. I hope this podcast aviates fear in women to act in the common thread for twenty three years that women have been scared.

46:07 Doctors are scared, the patient's scared, nobody wants to talk about it. Then next thing you know, people are pointing fingers at each other saying, oh, you're on hormones, you're gonna die. It's not true. It's so not true. And so I believe with your information and my information, we can help people live a better life with better information. All right, So We're going to end it with that because I know we're over time and Rebel will fuss at me if I keep going. So thanks a lot. We'll see you back next Wednesday. Thank you Doctor Romero for being our guests and we work through all the technical difficulties. We heard everything you had to say, so we appreciate you coming on and we'll see you guys next week. Thanks for joining Doctor Taylor today. If you missed any part of this show, just check out the podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. Angeless Blueprint is every Wednesday at nine am Eastern Time on W four C Radio at W FOURC dot com. Together, we discovered ancient secrets to better health through science and spirituality made for modern times.

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